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Cain campaign: Farmers know more about regulations than EPA

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Mathis wins, Democrats maintain Senate control

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The Iowa Senate will remain under the control of a slim 26-25 Democratic majority when it reconvenes in January 2012.

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PR: Nation should work to address veterans’ challenges

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BRUCE BRALEY RELEASE — As US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan ends, it’s more important than ever that our nation works to address the challenges faced by the men and women who fought there.

PR: Honoring veterans, help in hiring

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CHUCK GRASSLEY RELEASE — A difficult job market is challenging the soldiers, sailors and airmen who have protected America’s interests by serving in the Armed Forces.

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PR: Honoring and supporting our nation’s veterans

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Does Palin want women jailed, executed for abortions?

By Douglas Burns | 09.12.08 | 12:09 pm

If Gov. Sarah Palin’s now well-known views prevail and abortion is made illegal, what should the penalty be for a woman who has an abortion and a doctor who provides one?

Should they be fined “like we do with speeders on our highways” or should they be strapped into an electric chair?

Misdemeanor or felony?

It’s a question the GOP vice presidential candidate needs to answer — with the specifics that have so far escaped her American Idol-style debut. She is on record as saying in 2006 that the government should force her daughter to have a baby in the event she were raped.

Americans deserve to know: Would the Alaska governor have her own daughter jailed or executed for having an abortion after being raped (if that ever happened)?

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Pro-lifers may say, “let the penalty fit the crime,” but on abortion they won’t say what the penalty should be.

All pro-life candidates believe abortion is wrong. Many believe abortion is “murder.”

And several of these candidates also believe in the death penalty for first-degree murder.

That considered, it would be logical for them to call for the executions of women who have abortions or their doctors, wouldn’t it? Palin is a darling with the anti-abortion movement for having a baby with Down syndrome. Would she pardon her own daughter in the aforementioned rape-abortion scenario, or let her get the needle to further galvanize the base?

This is a fair question.

If a candidate wilts in the face of it then he or she simply doesn’t have the stuff to be a bona fide abortion opponent.

If a candidate says he wants to cut taxes, we ask what programs will be slashed.

And if a candidate says he wants to lock up more drug dealers with mandatory minimums, we ask, “For how long?”

But when candidates say abortion should be criminalized, they are seldom pressed on what that really means for violators in a world where abortion would be illegal.

Their answers are vital to a debate that, without honest responses, is intellectually incomplete.

People who say they are opposed to abortion might get a little skittish when politicians start talking about prison time and even raising the specter of the death penalty for the women and their providers.

This is a question to test stomachs and resolve. We need to start asking it.

Comments

  • ElmerPSO

    Doug,

    You raise a timely and timeless question. However, your article missed an important component part, the father. It has always taken two, female and male, to fertilize the egg in the human.
    Forget the myth of the virgin birth. That myth existed in many religions long before christianity was conceived.

    What are the consequences for the father? Does the father not have personal responsibility for his decisions and actions? Do you execute the father along with the mother and doctor? After all, if the father was a willing participant in conception and the decision for abortion, is the father not equally culpable? Or is there a double standard?

    I’m reminded of a board agenda item when I was president of the Kuemper Catholic High School Board. A senior girl was obviously pregnant and the motion was made to deny her the right to walk with the graduating class during graduation ceremonies. I argued against the motion with all the common sense reasons I could muster. Motion passed. I then made an additional motion. If you deny the mother from walking with graduating seniors, then apply the same standard to the father, a senior boy. Motion died for lack of a second.

    Double standards are very common in politics and religions.

    • Peggy2

      You were president of a Catholic high school board and you don't believe in the virgin birth?

      Are you a Catholic?

  • misterrogers

    As always Doug, a very thoughtful piece. I have another angle for consideration.
    For abortions to be considered murder, with all of the penalties that go with that offense, the embryo must be legally endowed with the same rights as post-birth human beings. When a person is intentionally killed by another person it is called murder. When a person is unintentionally killed by another person it is called manslaughter. If an abortion, the intentional killing of an embryo, is murder, then is a miscarraige, the accidental or unintentional killing of an embryo, to be considered manslaughter? Right now we investigate every death of a human being to determine cause. Would there be “miscarraige police” who would investigate the reason for every miscarraige? What would happen if it was discovered that the mother of the miscarried embryo had smoked a cigarette, consumed a glass of wine, or engaged in some other sort of behavior that might be deemed “risky” to the embryo? Does the mother go to prison?
    It's simple: if abortion is murder, then miscarraige is probably manslaughter.
    Pray that this never becomes the law.

  • DianaHsieh

    Thank you for your excellent questions to Sarah Palin. I do hope that she's forced to answer them at some point.

    In Colorado, the religious right is attempting to make Palin's type of strict anti-abortionism the law of the land via Amendment 48. It would give fertilized eggs all the legal rights of persons in the Colorado Constitution. If implemented, it would ban almost (if not all) abortion, outlaw the birth control pill and IUD, and ban most in vitro fertilization. If rights are granted at conception, that's the ultimate outcome.

    The Coalition for Secular Government (http://www.seculargovernment.us) just published an issue paper on it entitled “Amendment 48 Is Anti-Life: Why It Matters That a Fertilized Egg Is Not a Person” by Ari Armstrong and myself. It's available at:

    http://www.seculargovernment.us/docs/a48.pdf

    The paper discusses some of the horrific implications of this proposed amendment, including those effects on the legality of abortion, birth control, and in vitro fertilization. It also offers a strong defense of abortion rights based on the biological facts of pregnancy.

    Although it focuses on Amendment 48, it's a good resource for anyone interested to know what the true effects of Palin's views would be, if made into law.

    Diana Hsieh
    Founder, Coalition for Secular Government
    http://www.seculargovernment.us

  • Butterfly3

    Palin said that having a baby out of wedlock was her daughter's choice. Choice? Palin gave her daughter a choice?

    • Peggy2

      Or, since abortion has been legal in the U.S. for, what, thirty-something years now, maybe Sarah Palin was saying that her daughter could have chosen to run off to the local Planned Parenthood clinic to have her embarrassment 'taken care of' BUT Bristol Palin chose to give her baby life. Get it?

      Sarah Palin didn't provide anyone with the choice to kill their offspring – we have liberal Democrats like yourself to blame for that.

    • nobama2008

      What about the rest of the unborn children, do they get to choose, too??

  • nobama2008

    Mr. Burns, how about an honest response to when life begins and if it is right to snuff that life out (or suck their brains out before aborting them as Obama has voted for) when, if the parents don't want the baby they conceived, letting someone adopt that child? Or, Mr. Burns, would answering this question be above your pay grade?

  • ScottPruden

    When John McCain killed hundreds if not a thousand innocent people by dropping bombs on heavily populated areas of Hanoi, he no doubt killed pregnant women and babies; doesn't that make him an abortionist? Those kids died for no other reason than their parents may or may not have subscribed to Communist ideology.
    We're supposed to feel sorry for him when the relatives of his victims tap-danced on his broken bones afterward? I think he got off easy!
    Why don't Republicans give a crap about children AFTER they're born?

    • nobama2008

      Scott, not all Republicans were for the war and most were not expecting a long and expensive, both in lives and money, occupation. Personally, I think Bush should have been patient and worked with other nations like his father did in the first Gulf War. Biden, Pelosi and many Democrats voted for the war, too, so maybe you missed this fact. Mistakes were made on all sides.

      Republicans and Independents and some Democrats do “give a crap about children after they're born”. They are, consistently, far more compassionate and generous towards others than most Democrats, like yourself. The saying, “Put your money where your mouth is” is very telling: UNTIL last year when Nobama and his wife gave a little over 5% of his over $4 million income, they consistently gave far less than 1% of their income . Biden consistently gave far less than 1% of his income. Last year he gave less than 1/3 of 1%: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/12/politic…

      Two years ago, when Nobama realized his tax returns would be scrutinized since he was running for President, he knew he'd better cough up a few more dollars since his tax returns were going to show what a miser he was. Obama, very obviously, gave for political reasons. Biden was caught off guard by being picked for VP candidate so you can expect him to give a little more this year than the few hundred dollars, of the hundreds of thousands he and his wife make, that he so “generously” has been contributing.

      John McCain gave 25% of his income, Cindy, over 7%, consistently. When Palin's tax returns are released, you'll see the same generosity. “Liberals” are hypocrites with Nobama-Biden leading the pack. You are only liberal with OTHER people's money. You hold onto your own with your grubby little hands while demanding everyone else's taxes get raised, contribute next to nothing to charity, the people who most need it, and expect to have things handed to you from cradle to grave.

      Unfortunately, there's not a cat scan that can determine, from the womb, whether someone's going to turn out like you. If there was, I think I'd be persuaded to allow your kind to be aborted so the world would be a safer place for the rest of us. By the way, isn't it a bit ironic the liberties that you liberals have taken with the English language? Not only have you twisted the word “liberal”, you have done the same for the term “pro-choice”. If life does begin at conception, and it does as Joe Biden honestly admitted (no, that statement wasn't one of his “gaffes”), then that life deserves a chance to have a choice to live. If, as a grown adult, that person decides to commit suicide, that's a choice that can't always be prevented but please, don't let us stop you from trying.

      • ScottPruden

        Cindy McCain refuses to release her tax forms so you don't know what she's given to charity.
        Joe Biden's income over the last 10 years equals about 3-4 months of Cindy McCain's average Amex bill. I'm sure she's generous to the staff, though. When she's no stealing their Oxycontin.
        Republicans are costing future generations $10 billion a month in their war in Iraq, no to mention the hundreds of thousands of innocents killed because people like you seem to be gung-ho to kill little brown people, as long as Fox News doesn't show you the bloody results.
        That's not GOP money, that's “other people's money” their wasting on their killing spree.
        I'm sure any Iraqi parent of a child killed by YOU idiots would encourage you to kill YOURSELF.
        You guys are IMPOTENT murderers who feel powerful using other people's money to kill little brown people, but then you seem STUNNED when they fight back.

        • nobama2008

          pruden, you're a stinkin liberal asshole with no sense of logic or any ability to think on your own. the smell of you is so strong it reeks through the Internet.

          • tabbitha

            Gee, nobama, when you lay the facts out in such a dispassionate and logical way, how can anyone question your arguments?

          • nobama2008

            Tabbitha, It's futile trying to reason with fools so there's no need to continue this conversation. Always remember what I wrote to pruden, since your parents didn't exercise their “right” to abort you, suicide is always an option. The earth would be a much safer place and kinder place for the rest of us who value life and have intelligence.

  • nilo_cantonjos

    There is such a thing called “Just War” but there is no “Just Abortion”.

    • ScottPruden

      If you define terminating a pregnancy, a medical procedure, as murder and therefore never justified; then you have to accept that others define splattering the brains of innocent people who happen to be unlucky enough to live in Baghdad or Hanoi as murder and therefore never justified.
      Either killing is always wrong or it isn't.

      • nilo_cantonjos

        When you are sworned to a duty to defend your country and your freedom…then you have authority to lay down your life to protect those under your jurisdiction. In war, there will be casualities, unfortunately. The foundation of freedom of this nation were never achieved by dialogue with the occupying forces that had no intention of giving up their grip on this country. Lives were laid down on the line for the freedom of this nation. That was a JUST war.

        If a madman runs amuck and threat is imminent to your family, you have the duty to stop that man whatever the cause. Killing is justified to protect the greater good of the family and society.

        Abortion is Murder. It is never justified. There is never a time when you can say that abortion is licit. This is the murder of the marginalized, voiceless, and defenseless sector of our society.

        Differentiate between Just War and Abortion.

        Killing is not always wrong, even the bible says so. But abortion always is EVIL and wrong.

        I hope you are enlightened.

      • nobama2008

        Many innocent people have been killed and the taking of innocent life IS wrong, whether it's in a war where innocent civilians are killed, or whether it's the millions of babies that have been killed through abortion. Being “legal” due to one too many liberal Supreme Court justice doesn't make it right or ethical.

        It's a rare situation to be in but if you had to kill in self-defense or in defense of your children, parents, friends or anyone you loved, I believe that even you would realize that your statement, “killing is always wrong”, is just one more statement you've made without any logic or thought.

  • nilo_cantonjos

    Obama Bin Biden = Terrorists of the Unborn

  • nobama2008

    It's futile trying to reason with a fool so there's no need to continue this conversation. Always remember what I said, since you didn't have the pleasure of being aborted, suicide is always an option.

  • nobama2008

    pruden, you're a stinkin liberal asshole with no sense of logic or any ability to think on your own. the smell of you is so strong it reeks through the Internet. Why don't you move to Canada where they'll welcome you with open arms?

  • tabbitha

    Gee, nobama, when you lay the facts out in such a dispassionate and logical way, how can anyone question your arguments?

  • nobama2008

    It's futile trying to reason with a fool so there's no need to continue this conversation. Always remember what I said, since you didn't have the pleasure of being aborted, suicide is always an option.

  • nobama2008

    Tabbitha, It's futile and a waste of time trying to reason with fools so there's no need to continue this conversation. Always remember what I wrote to pruden as it goes for you, too: since your parents didn't exercise their “right” to abort you, suicide is always an option. The earth would be a much safer place and kinder place for the rest of us who value life and have intelligence.

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