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	<title>Comments on: Open Letter to Obama: A Personal Perspective on Late-Term Abortion</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/2565/open-letter-to-obama-a-personal-perspective-on-late-term-abortion/comment-page-3#comment-39161</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the point at which you&#039;re only surviving because you&#039;re on life support, it IS your time to die.  The interference with your &#039;natural&#039; death isn&#039;t from the people wishing to pull the plug, but from the medical interventions used to keep you past your expiration.  These interventions have become increasingly invasive, common, and effective...and if you could ask the people on the receiving end, you might find they were unwanted, and not so much an act of compassion as of selfishness and cruelty.

But hey, way to show some compassion yourself!  This author chose to discuss an incredibly difficult situation and her incredibly painful decision, and you ridiculed her for having had to make a choice you yourself probably never have.  And even if you had, YOU AREN&#039;T HER.  You can&#039;t speak to her situation, you can&#039;t know how she suffered, you clearly don&#039;t understand that her choice was influenced by her love, not only for the child she thought she&#039;d raise, but for the family she had, and you apparently have all the empathy of a rock.

Humans don&#039;t play the cards that they&#039;re dealt.  We make medical advances that allow survivability far beyond anything nature grants.  One side of that is that we can intervene and improve the chances of a pregnancy resulting in a healthy baby.  But the flip side is, we know far earlier when something has gone disastrously wrong, and what the outcome is likely to be.  To look at someone facing that situation and bash her for making the best choice she could for herself, her family, and yes, her unborn child-who-wouldn&#039;t-be, is obscene.  She didn&#039;t discard an inconvenience, she acted as a mother should.

What a shame there is no prenatal test for a simple sense of compassion.  I suspect there&#039;d be fewer pro-life extremists, demanding that women accept their punishment for having had sex, having blighted ova, having health issues, or dealing with economic issues that make rearing a child the poorer choice.  But thanks for demonstrating that one doesn&#039;t have to be religious to still be a nut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the point at which you&#8217;re only surviving because you&#8217;re on life support, it IS your time to die.  The interference with your &#8216;natural&#8217; death isn&#8217;t from the people wishing to pull the plug, but from the medical interventions used to keep you past your expiration.  These interventions have become increasingly invasive, common, and effective&#8230;and if you could ask the people on the receiving end, you might find they were unwanted, and not so much an act of compassion as of selfishness and cruelty.</p>
<p>But hey, way to show some compassion yourself!  This author chose to discuss an incredibly difficult situation and her incredibly painful decision, and you ridiculed her for having had to make a choice you yourself probably never have.  And even if you had, YOU AREN&#8217;T HER.  You can&#8217;t speak to her situation, you can&#8217;t know how she suffered, you clearly don&#8217;t understand that her choice was influenced by her love, not only for the child she thought she&#8217;d raise, but for the family she had, and you apparently have all the empathy of a rock.</p>
<p>Humans don&#8217;t play the cards that they&#8217;re dealt.  We make medical advances that allow survivability far beyond anything nature grants.  One side of that is that we can intervene and improve the chances of a pregnancy resulting in a healthy baby.  But the flip side is, we know far earlier when something has gone disastrously wrong, and what the outcome is likely to be.  To look at someone facing that situation and bash her for making the best choice she could for herself, her family, and yes, her unborn child-who-wouldn&#8217;t-be, is obscene.  She didn&#8217;t discard an inconvenience, she acted as a mother should.</p>
<p>What a shame there is no prenatal test for a simple sense of compassion.  I suspect there&#8217;d be fewer pro-life extremists, demanding that women accept their punishment for having had sex, having blighted ova, having health issues, or dealing with economic issues that make rearing a child the poorer choice.  But thanks for demonstrating that one doesn&#8217;t have to be religious to still be a nut.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Lewis</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/2565/open-letter-to-obama-a-personal-perspective-on-late-term-abortion/comment-page-3#comment-38253</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A few questions for pro-choice advocates: If a worshiper of Satan&quot;

You lost me there, as Satan isn&#039;t real, and &quot;satanists&quot; don&#039;t actually worship any such being. They actually just enjoy carnal pleasures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A few questions for pro-choice advocates: If a worshiper of Satan&#8221;</p>
<p>You lost me there, as Satan isn&#8217;t real, and &#8220;satanists&#8221; don&#8217;t actually worship any such being. They actually just enjoy carnal pleasures.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You act like women decide to get pregnant like they decide to take a job.</description>
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		<title>By: ben815</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/2565/open-letter-to-obama-a-personal-perspective-on-late-term-abortion/comment-page-3#comment-24055</link>
		<dc:creator>ben815</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tell you what, if you will give me a mailing address I will mail you a copy.  With citations it is about 60 pages.  I received permission from a number of publications or individuals to use photos or reprint articles for this paper but I did not specifically ask permission to put it online, so I will do that.  In the meantime I would be very interested to know if you find it practically useful. The simple fact you are interested and thinking on the topic encourages me that people are not just totally polarized on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tell you what, if you will give me a mailing address I will mail you a copy.  With citations it is about 60 pages.  I received permission from a number of publications or individuals to use photos or reprint articles for this paper but I did not specifically ask permission to put it online, so I will do that.  In the meantime I would be very interested to know if you find it practically useful. The simple fact you are interested and thinking on the topic encourages me that people are not just totally polarized on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: ben815</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben815</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tell you what, if you will give me a mailing address I will mail you a copy.  With citations it is about 60 pages.  I received permission from a number of publications or individuals to use photos or reprint articles for this paper but I did not specifically ask permission to put it online, so I will do that.  In the meantime I would be very interested to know if you find it practically useful. The simple fact you are interested and thinking on the topic encourages me that people are not just totally polarized on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tell you what, if you will give me a mailing address I will mail you a copy.  With citations it is about 60 pages.  I received permission from a number of publications or individuals to use photos or reprint articles for this paper but I did not specifically ask permission to put it online, so I will do that.  In the meantime I would be very interested to know if you find it practically useful. The simple fact you are interested and thinking on the topic encourages me that people are not just totally polarized on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: ben815</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/2565/open-letter-to-obama-a-personal-perspective-on-late-term-abortion/comment-page-3#comment-17406</link>
		<dc:creator>ben815</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tell you what, if you will give me a mailing address I will mail you a copy.  With citations it is about 60 pages.  I received permission from a number of publications or individuals to use photos or reprint articles for this paper but I did not specifically ask permission to put it online, so I will do that.  In the meantime I would be very interested to know if you find it practically useful. The simple fact you are interested and thinking on the topic encourages me that people are not just totally polarized on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tell you what, if you will give me a mailing address I will mail you a copy.  With citations it is about 60 pages.  I received permission from a number of publications or individuals to use photos or reprint articles for this paper but I did not specifically ask permission to put it online, so I will do that.  In the meantime I would be very interested to know if you find it practically useful. The simple fact you are interested and thinking on the topic encourages me that people are not just totally polarized on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Bodhisattva1</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/2565/open-letter-to-obama-a-personal-perspective-on-late-term-abortion/comment-page-3#comment-17394</link>
		<dc:creator>Bodhisattva1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you for sharing this information.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps the answer is in education, and less in regulation.  Don&#039;t you think that women would make better choices if they understood 1.) the fetus in them is alive, 2.) the details of the procedure, and 3.) that there are alternate options?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m very happy to know that you have taken a step in this direction.  Perhaps you should get your paper published?  You could start by putting it out on the internet as a download-able .pdf.  You could post it here.  I would be happy to read it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m feeling a sense of transformation.  There is much more gray in this matter than I realized...and, as you point out, some very black and white patches as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing this information.  </p>
<p>Perhaps the answer is in education, and less in regulation.  Don&#39;t you think that women would make better choices if they understood 1.) the fetus in them is alive, 2.) the details of the procedure, and 3.) that there are alternate options?</p>
<p>I&#39;m very happy to know that you have taken a step in this direction.  Perhaps you should get your paper published?  You could start by putting it out on the internet as a download-able .pdf.  You could post it here.  I would be happy to read it.</p>
<p>I&#39;m feeling a sense of transformation.  There is much more gray in this matter than I realized&#8230;and, as you point out, some very black and white patches as well.</p>
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		<title>By: ben815</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/2565/open-letter-to-obama-a-personal-perspective-on-late-term-abortion/comment-page-3#comment-17378</link>
		<dc:creator>ben815</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for writing me,  I wrote that post very quickly.  Let me explain why abortion currently has no restriction.  Roe v. Wade decided in 1973 legalized abortion on demand until &quot;viability&quot; and the companion case, Doe v. Bolton decided on the same day legalized it after &quot;viability&quot; as long as there is an exception for the health and life of the mother.  The problem is, there are abortionists (of course, because it is a business) who are willing to interpret &quot;health&quot; as really anything at all, including &quot;mental distress.&quot;  There are not too many abortionionists willing to justify killing a &quot;fetus&quot; that either might otherwise live or would live, if given another week in the womb.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only abortion &quot;restriction&quot; we currently have is the ban on partial birth abortion, and the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which states an infant must be regarded as a person under the law, viable or not.  The 1975 law in Illinois, where the bills were brought, had been weakened considerably in 1993 by a consent decree signed by Roland Burris, and it only covered infants deemed &quot;viable&quot; by the person aborting them.  Since viability is open to interpretation, we have the problem of some premature infants getting medical treatment and living to healthy childhoods at an age younger than others are legaly aborted.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These laws only restrict the way in which an abortion is performed, but do not limit the right to an abortion at any point in pregnancy.  Currently, there is an abortion clinic in Florida (EPOC) that advertises same day pill abortions 3 to 24 weeks and you can visit their website.  Read their mission statement.  They inject the fetus with heart stopping drugs before inducing a still birth.  The partial birth abortion is a barbaric act never necessary for the life or health of the mother and can in fact be dangerous to her.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The other laws consist of various state laws on parental consent for minors, informed consent, (in Texas we have to read a pamphlet on fetal development before an abortion) conscience clauses for health care workers who do not want to participate in abortion, and I believe Medicaid will not pay for elective abortion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Those are the laws &quot;restricting&quot; abortion.  No law can restrict the right to abortion at any point in gestation, because of the Supreme Court ruling that required the health exception after viability.  Many people are not aware of this and assume abortion is regulated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have just completed a paper on the subject; I think it is fairly informative and interesting.  Obama states there is no argument against abortion except a religious argument but this is simply not true.  The best argument is one of civil rights, and that is the case I make in my paper.  I wrote it for friends and family because there is a lack of knowledge, and lack of effective debate and this issue is vitally important.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are correct about many issues not being black and white, but on the issue of civil rights there is no gray area, and this was displayed perfectly during our history leading up to the civil war.  There are no exceptions to &quot;all men are created equal.&quot; Once you make these exceptions, all human value is opened up to arbitrary judgment.  That is not a religious argument, it is an argument of common sense.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I will mail you my paper if you would like me to.  I really appreciate you writing to me; hardly anyone is willing to really discuss this issue without anger.  I would value your feedback.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mary Garmon&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fort Worth, Texas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing me,  I wrote that post very quickly.  Let me explain why abortion currently has no restriction.  Roe v. Wade decided in 1973 legalized abortion on demand until &#8220;viability&#8221; and the companion case, Doe v. Bolton decided on the same day legalized it after &#8220;viability&#8221; as long as there is an exception for the health and life of the mother.  The problem is, there are abortionists (of course, because it is a business) who are willing to interpret &#8220;health&#8221; as really anything at all, including &#8220;mental distress.&#8221;  There are not too many abortionionists willing to justify killing a &#8220;fetus&#8221; that either might otherwise live or would live, if given another week in the womb.</p>
<p>The only abortion &#8220;restriction&#8221; we currently have is the ban on partial birth abortion, and the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which states an infant must be regarded as a person under the law, viable or not.  The 1975 law in Illinois, where the bills were brought, had been weakened considerably in 1993 by a consent decree signed by Roland Burris, and it only covered infants deemed &#8220;viable&#8221; by the person aborting them.  Since viability is open to interpretation, we have the problem of some premature infants getting medical treatment and living to healthy childhoods at an age younger than others are legaly aborted.</p>
<p>These laws only restrict the way in which an abortion is performed, but do not limit the right to an abortion at any point in pregnancy.  Currently, there is an abortion clinic in Florida (EPOC) that advertises same day pill abortions 3 to 24 weeks and you can visit their website.  Read their mission statement.  They inject the fetus with heart stopping drugs before inducing a still birth.  The partial birth abortion is a barbaric act never necessary for the life or health of the mother and can in fact be dangerous to her.</p>
<p>The other laws consist of various state laws on parental consent for minors, informed consent, (in Texas we have to read a pamphlet on fetal development before an abortion) conscience clauses for health care workers who do not want to participate in abortion, and I believe Medicaid will not pay for elective abortion.</p>
<p>Those are the laws &#8220;restricting&#8221; abortion.  No law can restrict the right to abortion at any point in gestation, because of the Supreme Court ruling that required the health exception after viability.  Many people are not aware of this and assume abortion is regulated.</p>
<p>I have just completed a paper on the subject; I think it is fairly informative and interesting.  Obama states there is no argument against abortion except a religious argument but this is simply not true.  The best argument is one of civil rights, and that is the case I make in my paper.  I wrote it for friends and family because there is a lack of knowledge, and lack of effective debate and this issue is vitally important.  </p>
<p>You are correct about many issues not being black and white, but on the issue of civil rights there is no gray area, and this was displayed perfectly during our history leading up to the civil war.  There are no exceptions to &#8220;all men are created equal.&#8221; Once you make these exceptions, all human value is opened up to arbitrary judgment.  That is not a religious argument, it is an argument of common sense.</p>
<p>I will mail you my paper if you would like me to.  I really appreciate you writing to me; hardly anyone is willing to really discuss this issue without anger.  I would value your feedback.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Mary Garmon</p>
<p>Fort Worth, Texas</p>
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		<title>By: Bodhisattva1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bodhisattva1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your points are well made.  I was not aware that late term abortions were legal is so many states, and with so little restriction (or, according to what you have written, no restriction).  It is not black and white...either side of this discussion, so it is good we are having the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your points are well made.  I was not aware that late term abortions were legal is so many states, and with so little restriction (or, according to what you have written, no restriction).  It is not black and white&#8230;either side of this discussion, so it is good we are having the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: ben815</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/2565/open-letter-to-obama-a-personal-perspective-on-late-term-abortion/comment-page-3#comment-17290</link>
		<dc:creator>ben815</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The baby in this case was not dead in the uterus.  In addition, not only are late term abortions legal for medical reasons, they are legal on demand all nine months of pregnancy.  There are just fewer abortionists willing to perform them on infants that would otherwise live.  Go to the EPOC abortion clinic website -- they will inject a healthy fetus with heart stopping drugs and deliver it stillborn up to 23 weeks, an age where other premature infants have lived to healthy childhood.  Are there sometimes medical emergencies requiring abortion?  Sure - but not at the rate we are aborting.  You do not have to be a woman, be pregnant, or have carried a stillborn infant to stand on principle of civil rights for human life.  IThe black and white world you are talking about it the world where we do not limit abortion for the sake of protecting ALL abortion.  That is the rigid, uncompromising and fundamentalist view that follows the bible of Roe v. Wade, that must not be questioned despite its contrived noncense and calls for the sacrifice of innocent human lives for the greater &quot;Good&quot; of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The baby in this case was not dead in the uterus.  In addition, not only are late term abortions legal for medical reasons, they are legal on demand all nine months of pregnancy.  There are just fewer abortionists willing to perform them on infants that would otherwise live.  Go to the EPOC abortion clinic website &#8212; they will inject a healthy fetus with heart stopping drugs and deliver it stillborn up to 23 weeks, an age where other premature infants have lived to healthy childhood.  Are there sometimes medical emergencies requiring abortion?  Sure &#8211; but not at the rate we are aborting.  You do not have to be a woman, be pregnant, or have carried a stillborn infant to stand on principle of civil rights for human life.  IThe black and white world you are talking about it the world where we do not limit abortion for the sake of protecting ALL abortion.  That is the rigid, uncompromising and fundamentalist view that follows the bible of Roe v. Wade, that must not be questioned despite its contrived noncense and calls for the sacrifice of innocent human lives for the greater &#8220;Good&#8221; of society.</p>
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