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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Well...&lt;/strong&gt; Have you posted this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://action.richardsonforpresident.com/page/dashboard/public/gGxTMB&quot;&gt;your Richardson page&lt;/a&gt; yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Well&#8230;</strong> Have you posted this on <a href="http://action.richardsonforpresident.com/page/dashboard/public/gGxTMB">your Richardson page</a> yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Cassidy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Cassidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Biden:  Wrong in 2002 and Wrong in 2007&lt;/strong&gt; Biden should be ashamed that he voted for the war in the first place and to continue voting for bills funding it.&#160; &lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;What Robert Scheer has written is something every Iowan considering supporting Biden should read:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;[Biden] rises, not to criticize Caesar, but to one-up him. The panic button that Bush is using this time is the need for more mine resistant ambush protected (MRAP) vehicles, fortified troop carriers that cost a million bucks a piece but evidently provide better protection against roadside bombs.&#160; Bush wants to spend about a quarter of the new money on the rapid production of MRAPs-a mere $12 billion.&#160; But that&#039;s not good enough for Biden, who introduced legislation to increase spending on MRAPs by $23.6 billion, arguing, &quot;We have no higher obligation than to protect those we send to the front lines.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, Senator, you do have a higher obligation: to think through the need for this mission before you vote to put troops in harm&#039;s way, as you failed to do when you voted to authorize the Iraq war.&#160; Also, before you rush to create new bottlenecks in the assembly line of the military-industrial complex, producing vehicles that would not be needed if we got out, you might heighten your efforts to force an end to this war. Spending $23.6 billion on fortified vehicles that will take years to produce is an admission that you are planning a long-term occupation of a hostile population in Iraq, and possibly Iran. Recall that Gen. Dwight Eisenhower was able to tour France and Germany in an open-air jeep, waving at friendly crowds, to fully comprehend the different reception Bush gets in what he still calls &quot;liberated&quot; Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The MRAPs are needed only as a weapon of choice for an occupying army in a country that strongly resists foreigners.&#160; If the Iraqis had greeted us as liberators, as Biden and other hawks anticipated, then they would be throwing flowers at our troop carriers rather than being complicit in planting the bombs that destroy them. Fortified vehicles only further separate the occupier from the population, which will remain fully vulnerable to attack.&#160; The emphasis on the protection of the foreigner-the Green Zone model-is a failed tactic of colonizers that alienates the local populace. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The locals are alienated enough.&#160; In a recent BBC/ABC poll, a whopping 80 percent of Iraqis said that the U.S. and other coalition forces have done &quot;quite a bad job&quot; (32 percent) or a &quot;very bad job&quot; (48 percent) in carrying out their responsibilities in Iraq, and that includes the supposedly happy Kurds. The same poll found that 72 percent feel the presence of American forces in Iraq is making security in the country worse, and 57 percent said it is &quot;acceptable&quot; to attack the U.S.-led forces.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is not a problem that more armor on vehicles can fix, although those vehicles should have been securely armored from the start if the goal was to occupy an oil-rich country with a fierce tradition of opposing foreigners looking to control that resource.&#160; (Clearly, the U.S. government could have footed the bill by cutting any one of the costly and obsolete Cold War weapons systems.) Nor is it an issue that can be solved by splitting Iraq into three religious and ethnic enclaves-Biden&#039;s other brilliant proposal from last week. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070925_biden_one_ups_bush/&quot;&gt;http://www.truthdig....&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Richardson is the only major Democrat running for President that understands the situation in Iraq as it actually exists and has the courage to stand up to the Washington establishment and call for bringing all of our troops home without delay.&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Biden:  Wrong in 2002 and Wrong in 2007</strong> Biden should be ashamed that he voted for the war in the first place and to continue voting for bills funding it.&nbsp;
<p>What Robert Scheer has written is something every Iowan considering supporting Biden should read:</p>
<p>
<blockquote>[Biden] rises, not to criticize Caesar, but to one-up him. The panic button that Bush is using this time is the need for more mine resistant ambush protected (MRAP) vehicles, fortified troop carriers that cost a million bucks a piece but evidently provide better protection against roadside bombs.&nbsp; Bush wants to spend about a quarter of the new money on the rapid production of MRAPs-a mere $12 billion.&nbsp; But that&#39;s not good enough for Biden, who introduced legislation to increase spending on MRAPs by $23.6 billion, arguing, &#8220;We have no higher obligation than to protect those we send to the front lines.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, Senator, you do have a higher obligation: to think through the need for this mission before you vote to put troops in harm&#39;s way, as you failed to do when you voted to authorize the Iraq war.&nbsp; Also, before you rush to create new bottlenecks in the assembly line of the military-industrial complex, producing vehicles that would not be needed if we got out, you might heighten your efforts to force an end to this war. Spending $23.6 billion on fortified vehicles that will take years to produce is an admission that you are planning a long-term occupation of a hostile population in Iraq, and possibly Iran. Recall that Gen. Dwight Eisenhower was able to tour France and Germany in an open-air jeep, waving at friendly crowds, to fully comprehend the different reception Bush gets in what he still calls &#8220;liberated&#8221; Iraq.</p>
<p>The MRAPs are needed only as a weapon of choice for an occupying army in a country that strongly resists foreigners.&nbsp; If the Iraqis had greeted us as liberators, as Biden and other hawks anticipated, then they would be throwing flowers at our troop carriers rather than being complicit in planting the bombs that destroy them. Fortified vehicles only further separate the occupier from the population, which will remain fully vulnerable to attack.&nbsp; The emphasis on the protection of the foreigner-the Green Zone model-is a failed tactic of colonizers that alienates the local populace. </p>
<p>The locals are alienated enough.&nbsp; In a recent BBC/ABC poll, a whopping 80 percent of Iraqis said that the U.S. and other coalition forces have done &#8220;quite a bad job&#8221; (32 percent) or a &#8220;very bad job&#8221; (48 percent) in carrying out their responsibilities in Iraq, and that includes the supposedly happy Kurds. The same poll found that 72 percent feel the presence of American forces in Iraq is making security in the country worse, and 57 percent said it is &#8220;acceptable&#8221; to attack the U.S.-led forces.</p>
<p>This is not a problem that more armor on vehicles can fix, although those vehicles should have been securely armored from the start if the goal was to occupy an oil-rich country with a fierce tradition of opposing foreigners looking to control that resource.&nbsp; (Clearly, the U.S. government could have footed the bill by cutting any one of the costly and obsolete Cold War weapons systems.) Nor is it an issue that can be solved by splitting Iraq into three religious and ethnic enclaves-Biden&#39;s other brilliant proposal from last week. </p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070925_biden_one_ups_bush/">http://www.truthdig&#8230;.</a></p>
<p>Richardson is the only major Democrat running for President that understands the situation in Iraq as it actually exists and has the courage to stand up to the Washington establishment and call for bringing all of our troops home without delay.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: noneed4thneed</title>
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		<dc:creator>noneed4thneed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Time to bring them home&lt;/strong&gt; It is sort of like back when Michael Jackson held that baby over the balcony ledge.&#160; Would it have been ok if Jackson had provided a helmet for the baby?&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, they should have armour, but they should have had the armour 5 years ago.&#160; We are putting our children at risk by having them in the middle of a Civil War.&#160; The war was won back when Bush announced mission accomplshed and we need to finally come home.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Biden does have a point saying Clinton, Obama, and Edwards made huge mistakes when they said they weren&#039;t sure if troops would be out by 2013.&#160; I think it is a big enough mistake to cost them the general election.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Time to bring them home</strong> It is sort of like back when Michael Jackson held that baby over the balcony ledge.&nbsp; Would it have been ok if Jackson had provided a helmet for the baby?
<p>Yes, they should have armour, but they should have had the armour 5 years ago.&nbsp; We are putting our children at risk by having them in the middle of a Civil War.&nbsp; The war was won back when Bush announced mission accomplshed and we need to finally come home.</p>
<p>Biden does have a point saying Clinton, Obama, and Edwards made huge mistakes when they said they weren&#39;t sure if troops would be out by 2013.&nbsp; I think it is a big enough mistake to cost them the general election.</p>
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		<title>By: noneed4thneed</title>
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		<dc:creator>noneed4thneed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Time to bring them home&lt;/strong&gt; It is sort of like back when Michael Jackson held that baby over the balcony ledge.&#160; Would it have been ok if Jackson had provided a helmet for the baby?&lt;p&gt;
Yes, they should have armour, but they should have had the armour 5 years ago.&#160; We are putting our children at risk by having them in the middle of a Civil War.&#160; The war was won back when Bush announced mission accomplshed and we need to finally come home.&lt;p&gt;
Biden does have a point saying Clinton, Obama, and Edwards made huge mistakes when they said they weren&#039;t sure if troops would be out by 2013.&#160; I think it is a big enough mistake to cost them the general election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Time to bring them home</strong> It is sort of like back when Michael Jackson held that baby over the balcony ledge.&nbsp; Would it have been ok if Jackson had provided a helmet for the baby?
<p>
Yes, they should have armour, but they should have had the armour 5 years ago.&nbsp; We are putting our children at risk by having them in the middle of a Civil War.&nbsp; The war was won back when Bush announced mission accomplshed and we need to finally come home.</p>
<p>
Biden does have a point saying Clinton, Obama, and Edwards made huge mistakes when they said they weren&#8217;t sure if troops would be out by 2013.&nbsp; I think it is a big enough mistake to cost them the general election.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Cassidy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Cassidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Biden:  Wrong in 2002 and Wrong in 2007&lt;/strong&gt; Biden should be ashamed that he voted for the war in the first place and to continue voting for bills funding it.&#160; &lt;p&gt;
What Robert Scheer has written is something every Iowan considering supporting Biden should read:&lt;p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;[Biden] rises, not to criticize Caesar, but to one-up him. The panic button that Bush is using this time is the need for more mine resistant ambush protected (MRAP) vehicles, fortified troop carriers that cost a million bucks a piece but evidently provide better protection against roadside bombs.&#160; Bush wants to spend about a quarter of the new money on the rapid production of MRAPs-a mere $12 billion.&#160; But that&#039;s not good enough for Biden, who introduced legislation to increase spending on MRAPs by $23.6 billion, arguing, &quot;We have no higher obligation than to protect those we send to the front lines.&quot;&lt;p&gt;
Actually, Senator, you do have a higher obligation: to think through the need for this mission before you vote to put troops in harm&#039;s way, as you failed to do when you voted to authorize the Iraq war.&#160; Also, before you rush to create new bottlenecks in the assembly line of the military-industrial complex, producing vehicles that would not be needed if we got out, you might heighten your efforts to force an end to this war. Spending $23.6 billion on fortified vehicles that will take years to produce is an admission that you are planning a long-term occupation of a hostile population in Iraq, and possibly Iran. Recall that Gen. Dwight Eisenhower was able to tour France and Germany in an open-air jeep, waving at friendly crowds, to fully comprehend the different reception Bush gets in what he still calls &quot;liberated&quot; Iraq.&lt;p&gt;
The MRAPs are needed only as a weapon of choice for an occupying army in a country that strongly resists foreigners.&#160; If the Iraqis had greeted us as liberators, as Biden and other hawks anticipated, then they would be throwing flowers at our troop carriers rather than being complicit in planting the bombs that destroy them. Fortified vehicles only further separate the occupier from the population, which will remain fully vulnerable to attack.&#160; The emphasis on the protection of the foreigner-the Green Zone model-is a failed tactic of colonizers that alienates the local populace. &lt;p&gt;
The locals are alienated enough.&#160; In a recent BBC/ABC poll, a whopping 80 percent of Iraqis said that the U.S. and other coalition forces have done &quot;quite a bad job&quot; (32 percent) or a &quot;very bad job&quot; (48 percent) in carrying out their responsibilities in Iraq, and that includes the supposedly happy Kurds. The same poll found that 72 percent feel the presence of American forces in Iraq is making security in the country worse, and 57 percent said it is &quot;acceptable&quot; to attack the U.S.-led forces.&lt;p&gt;
This is not a problem that more armor on vehicles can fix, although those vehicles should have been securely armored from the start if the goal was to occupy an oil-rich country with a fierce tradition of opposing foreigners looking to control that resource.&#160; (Clearly, the U.S. government could have footed the bill by cutting any one of the costly and obsolete Cold War weapons systems.) Nor is it an issue that can be solved by splitting Iraq into three religious and ethnic enclaves-Biden&#039;s other brilliant proposal from last week.&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;
From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070925_biden_one_ups_bush/&quot;&gt;http://www.truthdig....&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Richardson is the only major Democrat running for President that understands the situation in Iraq as it actually exists and has the courage to stand up to the Washington establishment and call for bringing all of our troops home without delay.&#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Biden:  Wrong in 2002 and Wrong in 2007</strong> Biden should be ashamed that he voted for the war in the first place and to continue voting for bills funding it.&nbsp;
<p>
What Robert Scheer has written is something every Iowan considering supporting Biden should read:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Biden] rises, not to criticize Caesar, but to one-up him. The panic button that Bush is using this time is the need for more mine resistant ambush protected (MRAP) vehicles, fortified troop carriers that cost a million bucks a piece but evidently provide better protection against roadside bombs.&nbsp; Bush wants to spend about a quarter of the new money on the rapid production of MRAPs-a mere $12 billion.&nbsp; But that&#8217;s not good enough for Biden, who introduced legislation to increase spending on MRAPs by $23.6 billion, arguing, &#8220;We have no higher obligation than to protect those we send to the front lines.&#8221;
<p>
Actually, Senator, you do have a higher obligation: to think through the need for this mission before you vote to put troops in harm&#8217;s way, as you failed to do when you voted to authorize the Iraq war.&nbsp; Also, before you rush to create new bottlenecks in the assembly line of the military-industrial complex, producing vehicles that would not be needed if we got out, you might heighten your efforts to force an end to this war. Spending $23.6 billion on fortified vehicles that will take years to produce is an admission that you are planning a long-term occupation of a hostile population in Iraq, and possibly Iran. Recall that Gen. Dwight Eisenhower was able to tour France and Germany in an open-air jeep, waving at friendly crowds, to fully comprehend the different reception Bush gets in what he still calls &#8220;liberated&#8221; Iraq.</p>
<p>
The MRAPs are needed only as a weapon of choice for an occupying army in a country that strongly resists foreigners.&nbsp; If the Iraqis had greeted us as liberators, as Biden and other hawks anticipated, then they would be throwing flowers at our troop carriers rather than being complicit in planting the bombs that destroy them. Fortified vehicles only further separate the occupier from the population, which will remain fully vulnerable to attack.&nbsp; The emphasis on the protection of the foreigner-the Green Zone model-is a failed tactic of colonizers that alienates the local populace. </p>
<p>
The locals are alienated enough.&nbsp; In a recent BBC/ABC poll, a whopping 80 percent of Iraqis said that the U.S. and other coalition forces have done &#8220;quite a bad job&#8221; (32 percent) or a &#8220;very bad job&#8221; (48 percent) in carrying out their responsibilities in Iraq, and that includes the supposedly happy Kurds. The same poll found that 72 percent feel the presence of American forces in Iraq is making security in the country worse, and 57 percent said it is &#8220;acceptable&#8221; to attack the U.S.-led forces.</p>
<p>
This is not a problem that more armor on vehicles can fix, although those vehicles should have been securely armored from the start if the goal was to occupy an oil-rich country with a fierce tradition of opposing foreigners looking to control that resource.&nbsp; (Clearly, the U.S. government could have footed the bill by cutting any one of the costly and obsolete Cold War weapons systems.) Nor is it an issue that can be solved by splitting Iraq into three religious and ethnic enclaves-Biden&#8217;s other brilliant proposal from last week.</p>
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<p>
From <a href="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070925_biden_one_ups_bush/">http://www.truthdig&#8230;.</a></p>
<p>
Richardson is the only major Democrat running for President that understands the situation in Iraq as it actually exists and has the courage to stand up to the Washington establishment and call for bringing all of our troops home without delay.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Well...&lt;/strong&gt; Have you posted this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://action.richardsonforpresident.com/page/dashboard/public/gGxTMB&quot;&gt;your Richardson page&lt;/a&gt; yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Well&#8230;</strong> Have you posted this on <a href="http://action.richardsonforpresident.com/page/dashboard/public/gGxTMB">your Richardson page</a> yet?</p>
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